[LVS] Council Pre-Meeting Agenda (10/3/2018)

[ABParadigm]

HOMINIX is hosting in two weeks time, in the lovely city of Blutopia! If you will not be attending, or have any topics you would like to bring up, please post them in the replies of this post.

Link to the previous meeting notes here: https://zedwork.co.uk/wiki/Zedling_Council_Meeting_2018-02-24

[EliasRipley]

Topics: ANVILS ANVILS ANVILS / Outer Island Portal Safety.

Been asked by a few people (both new players and veterans) to raise the issue of excessive signposts on the way to the end, as well as the anvils hovering over the return portal... The consensus amongst players is that they look a bit silly.

With the amount of crazy iron farms on LVS I don't think we need to worry about people bringing anvils as much... Not to say we shouldn't have a sign reminding people to restock if they break them... But maybe just one sign?

While we are on the topic of the end, I'd also like to mention the safety of the end portals that lead to the outer islands. A lot of them (if not all) have holes around them offering a tasty drop into the void for anyone who might want to get up close before throwing their pearl in. They aren't all that visible as the platform around is made of glass. Seems that the holes might be needed to keep the portals functioning(?) but if this is the case we could add some safety platforms under them?

[SneakySkeleton]

Been asked by a few people (both new players and veterans) to raise the issue of excessive signposts on the way to the end, as well as the anvils hovering over the return portal... The consensus amongst players is that they look a bit silly.

With the amount of crazy iron farms on LVS I don't think we need to worry about people bringing anvils as much... Not to say we shouldn't have a sign reminding people to restock if they break them... But maybe just one sign?

I just want to quickly address a point like this now. I completely understand why you think the amount of signs is a bit silly, however, in some cases, it seems to be necessary in order to get the point across. The End farm used to have really bad issues with people not refilling anvils, so signs were put down, with more and more added as time went on. The reason there are so many is, even if there is a sign in plain sight, there are going to be people who read it and ignore it. The more there are, the less of an excuse people have to ignore it.

Another prime example of this is the market. There was a time where the market had quite an issue of underpaying and reverse trading, both of which are against server/market rules. However, some people ignored that for a long time, therefore signs had to be almost spammed around the market to get the point across.

I agree, the amount of signs is silly. However I believe they are needed to ensure people actually do contribute to stocking the anvils/bringing their own anvils to the end.

[ABParadigm]

In terms of the return portal anvils, they used to be homithinks in item frames which I was meant to replace, but every time I go to the end I forget to bring enough to replace them. I'm not sure what happened to them, someone probably resummoned the Dragon and killed them. I knew they would eventually be killed like this, I was planning to put a stock of item frames and the maps but again, I keep forgetting. I originally put the anvils there just to have something, but didn't intend them to stay too long. I agree they look silly, I just need to make a stack or so of item frames and maps and put the remainder in a chest and be done with it.

As for the reminder signs, yeah, there is quite a bit, but as one who can restock a stack of anvils at at time and keeps forgetting (this is a running trend, I keep forgetting my backpack when I refill it with pearls too) I can see how many signs isn't as much overkill as one thinks.

I can definitely get on board with the flooring next to the gateways, as well. I've nearly fallen a few times myself.

[EliasRipley]

The more there are, the less of an excuse people have to ignore it.

Don't think this is true. I think people who will abuse community areas such as the end / market are the same people who would ignore any given amount of signs. There are just a lot of immature / thoughtless people. (Especially on Minecraft!) Not that this one actually bothers me... just agreed to be the messenger for this topic.

There was a time where the market had quite an issue of underpaying and reverse trading, both of which are against server/market rules. However, some people ignored that for a long time, therefore signs had to be almost spammed around the market to get the point across.

Unfortunately that still seems to be happening. I made a note of a chest I saw the other night that had been severely underpaid. I'll get it messaged to you or another Zriend.

In terms of the return portal anvils, they used to be homithinks in item frames which I was meant to replace, but every time I go to the end I forget to bring enough to replace them. I'm not sure what happened to them, someone probably resummoned the Dragon and killed them.

I just found out about item frames being immune to the mob grief rule the other day when a creeper exploded right in the middle of my item sorting boxes...

I can definitely get on board with the flooring next to the gateways, as well. I've nearly fallen a few times myself.

Sweet. I took a tumble down one once too. I flew up in panic straight back into the underside of the platform, landed on some end rocks with barely any heart left.

[Dax23333]

The holes around the end gateways get re-added every time somebody fights the dragon. You can block them up but they'll just open up again later. Somebody at Mojang forgot the structure voids in that one... But no matter what we do they're here to stay, and honestly I find the whole ring terrifying even discounting the holes that get punched into it around the gateways. Doesn't help matters that the end on LVS now looks worse than that on Zz (can't be having that) and I think a makeover could be in order. I propose the idea of having water around the end gateways so you can swim into them (elytra swimming would work too so can use before 1.13) without using pearls.

Signs wise, yes it is a stupid amount. But the universe always invents a better idiot. I think now it is less of an issue due to more people actually restocking it, in the past when this was first added not a lot of people had the giant iron farms needed to supply vast quantities of anvils needed by the ender ender.

[ABParadigm]

In the end on ZZ (hehe, Dax) I actually added endstone on the bottom of the obsidian pillars where it should destroy blocks, but doesn't; endstone seems unaffected by the structure wiping. I'm not saying for sure it would work with the end gateways, but may be worth using some endstone to see if it sticks around. To be clear, I have not done extensive testing to see if it is or is not y level based or if it even works with endstone when wiping the gateways, just saying what might work if I had a guess.

[ABParadigm]

I will be missing this meeting, as I will be helping a family member move. I may or may not also miss the UHC. Sorry!

[SooprJ]

Hey all! I’m sorry, but I won’t be able to make this meeting. I will be visiting some family on that day. Sorry for the short notice, it only just occurred to me that they were happening on the same day lol.

[Forseth]

A big probability that I won't make this meeting. But I will try.

Sorry

btw. I had a dream a few nights ago where I thought that the meeting was on the 3rd of march and not the 10th, and that I had forgotten about the meeting. And since I was on my last strike, I was kicked from the council and then I woke up. Strange dreams...