[LVS] Council Pre-meeting Agenda (December 30th 2017)

[Spectatre]

'allo allo. Last meeting of 2k17 happening in two weeks!

Link to last meeting's notes: wooooo

Put down your topics (gwan, use the agenda for its intended purpose, be daring), or apologise below!

[Mellorian]

Put down your topics (gwan, use the agenda for its intended purpose, be daring), or apologise below!

I'm sorry - this post isn't using the agenda for it's intended purpose. :(

[ABParadigm]

I would like to raise the topic about market undercutting. I know this is a topic frankly most individuals would rather avoid, but I know that recently there has been drastic undercutting issues, whether by inactive, banned, or currently active players. This can be any wide range of materials, from enchanted books, to mob drops, to building blocks, to even ores themselves in some scenarios. Though I would prefer a more active discussion, and some regulations put in place, I know that is not likely to happen and this topic will probably turn into a public service announcement if at all. I feel that the increase in undercutting is growing more malicious, and is starting to be come a problem many individuals have and refuse to bring up in a council meeting as an "issue."

I feel that the market is on the cusp of undercutting being an attack to the structure of the market itself. New players cannot compete with players who have ways to gather resources easily, and/or have been on the server long enough to gather more resources. This is actively discouraging new players to sell items.

I understand that this is an issue that cannot be easily regulated, as morality comes into play more than structure, however please explore the definition of undercutting, why it may be an issue, and possible alternatives to avoid doing so.

I know that this is about to be a ten-hour long meeting but please understand this topic is for good reason.

[EmpressBethany]

As for the topic of market undercutting: Can we please put a timer on it? Maybe no more than 45 mins on the topic?

[Forseth]

I agree with Empress. If we haven't come to an conclusion within a limited amount of time, it's to be concluded in a meeting in another year.
As for the topic itself I have a suggestion, one that probably requires an active Zriend in charge of the market and quite a lot of work.
What I suggest is that we entitle someone into a Head Merchant of sort. One who catalogize every item that can be for sale, and selects a proper bare minimum price. It requires a lot of work and needs to be changed after the server and the game changes. The Head Merchants prize for an item, is the lowest it can cost for players to purchase. Any item that doesn't follow this is either repriced to match the base price or removed from the market (By the active Head Merchant) and returned to the seller. I suppose this could be harsher, to force the baseline prize.

Any thoughts on my suggestions? Or do you rather we save the discussion for the meeting?

[SneakySkeleton]

I've created a topic for the Undercutting issue.

Link: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2780

[Dax23333]

I have created a topic for the Diamond Time Standard, an idea that can help with Sneakys topic on undercutting and also assist people in pricing thier wares in a better way. Regardless of what happens with that topic, I will be collecting data on this for people to look at and base prices of things on if they so wish.

https://zedwork.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2781


I won't actually be able to make this meeting. Consider this topic more of an announcement.

[ABParadigm]

[will be copy and pasting the following wall of text on SneakySkeleton's undercutting post]

I felt a need to be clear, I have voiced strong opposition for undercutting, but I do not by any means encourage a regulation be passed on this topic, as it would be far more trouble than it is worth. What I would rather have is a format where something such as "[X #] many complaints to a [Zriend or Guardian] is a bit ridiculous, maybe this person ought to know that they are harming the market/annoying other players on [X item], and be told to adjust their price a bit before it becomes a tense issue between players/if it becomes necessary." This would allow the free market to STILL come into play, without a forced change, but let the individual know that they are below the "standard" word-of-mouth price and starting to irritate other players.

As a side note, I think a regulations SHOULD come into play that DOES NOT allow free items to be posted into the market.

Despite my dislike of a regulation on this topic, I feel "free items" should be dealt with in other ways, certainly not as a standard price in the market.

I don't think a regulation should be passed, but certainly a way of anonymously reporting the frustrations, and if the frustrations become all-too-frequent for the [Zriends or Guardians] ears it be noted, and changed if it becomes absolutely necessary. Key word: necessary.

I have been stating through this time the solution of messing up the entire market, adding a minimum price to every item, and letting "one bad apple spoil the bunch" when it doesn't need to come to that. I just thought regulations should be held as a last-resort, and that we regard Dax23333's tests and SneakySkeleton's replies to be as part of the discussion on why it is an issue, and let it be known undercutting is more of an issue than it may seem at the surface.

Please also note that I said Zriend or Guardian, as I was not sure which would be more prevalent in this scenario.

[EliasRipley]

Hmmm. Working till 6.30pm tomorrow, so may not make it in time. Consider this an apology if I can't be there.
Either way...
I shall contribute my thoughts on the 'undercutting issue' tonight in the hopes that they are of use in tomorrow's meet.

[Memery]

Hello all! It's my Aunties 50th tomorrow so I will not be in attendance.

Good luck discussing the undercutting.

See you in 2018!